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Let Us Reason Together...

The Controversy
God is Calling Us to Reason with Him
1. Shared Definitions
2. Common Ground
3. Logical Consistency
4. Willingness to Update
5. Good-faith Listening
6. Emotional Stability Sufficient for Reflection
7. Time and Patience
8. A Truth-oriented Goal
Conclusion


The Controversy

Isaiah 1:16-20 - AFV
16.   Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
17.   Learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.
18.   Come now, and let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool.
19.   If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;
20.   But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword;" for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

What does it mean to reason with someone? What criteria are involved? Does God want to reason with us? If so, is it possible to reason with God?



God is Calling Us to Reason with Him

Though the following was given to Israel, this also applies to Christians and their faithful walk with God.


Isaiah 1:1-15 - AFV
1.   The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
2.   Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the LORD has spoken, "I have reared and brought up children, but they have rebelled against Me.
3.   The ox knows his owner, and the donkey his master's crib; but Israel does not know Me; My people do not understand."
4.   Ah, sinful nation, a people burdened with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the LORD; they have provoked the Holy One of Israel to anger; they have gone away backward.
5.   Why should you be stricken any more? You will revolt more and more; the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
6.   From the sole of the foot even to the top of the head there is no soundness in it; only wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; they have not been closed, nor bound up, nor soothed with ointment.
7.   Your country is a desolation, your cities are burned with fire. Strangers devour your land right in your very presence, and it is wasted, as overthrown by strangers.
8.   And the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard, like a hut in a garden of cucumbers, like a besieged city.
9.   Except the LORD of hosts had left us a very small remnant, we would have been as Sodom; we would have become like Gomorrah.
10.   Hear the Word of the LORD, rulers of Sodom; give ear to the law of our God, people of Gomorrah.
11.   "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" says the LORD; "I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of he-goats.
12.   When you come to appear before Me, who has required this at your hand, to trample My courts?
13.   Bring no more vain sacrifices; incense is an abomination to Me—new moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies; I cannot endure iniquity along with the solemn assembly!
14.   Your new moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; they are a trouble to Me; I am weary to bear them.
15.   And when you spread forth your hands, I will hide My eyes from you; yea, when you make many prayers, I will not hear; your hands are full of blood.

Outline - The Book of Isaiah.

- The vision given to Isaiah by God.

Judah's Wickedness

- All of Israel are rebellious children:

- worse than an ox/donkey.

- burdened w/iniquity.

- forsaken the LORD.

- do not understand.

- seed of evildoers.

- provoked God to anger.

- sinful nation.

- children who deal corruptly.

- gone away backward.

- Like a body, the whole is sick.

- The situation of the land:

- the country is desolate.

- the land is wasted/overthrown by strangers.

- cities are burned.

- Israel is like a besieged city.

- strangers devour your land in your presence.

 

- God left a small remnant loyal and faithful to Him (else Israel would be like Sodom and Gomorrah).

- The ineffectiveness of Israel’s worship towards God:

- God does not delight in the blood of bulls, lambs, or he-goats.
- Israel is trampling God’s courts.
- vain sacrifices.
- incense has become an abomination.
- solemn assemblies (new moons, Sabbaths, called assemblies) are mixed with iniquity.
- God hates [their iniquity-filled] new moons and appointed feasts. God is weary to bear them.
- God hides His eyes to their raised hands (when they worship).
- God will not hear their prayers (their hands are full of blood).

Isaiah 1:16-18a - AFV
16.   Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
17.   Learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.
18a.   Come now, and let us reasonH3198 together," says the LORD.

Outline - The Book of Isaiah.

- God instructs Israel to stop their sin; their part is repentance.
- They are to then learn to do good (God’s ways).

- God desires to reason with Israel so they might be saved and not destroyed.


What is the meaning and use of the word reason in v.18?


It is the Hebrew word H3198, and in the context of this verse, and its stem (Niphal) usage, it means "to reason, reason together." As translated, God wants to reason with us [on a one-to-one basis].


H3198
Original: יכח
Transliteration: yâkach
Phonetic: yaw-kahh'
BDB Definition:
  1. to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right
    a. (Hiphil)
      1. to decide, judge
      2. to adjudge, appoint
      3. to show to be right, prove
      4. to convince, convict
      5. to reprove, chide
      6. to correct, rebuke
    b. (Hophal) to be chastened
    c. (Niphal) to reason, reason together
    d. (Hithpael) to argue
Origin: primitive root
TWOT entry: 865
Part(s) of speech: Verb
Strong's Definition: A primitive root; to be right (that is, correct); reciprocally to argue ; causatively to decide, justify or convict: - appoint, argue, chasten, convince, correct (-ion), daysman, dispute, judge, maintain, plead, reason (together), rebuke, reprove (-r), surely, in any wise.

-- A Faithful Version


To understand the meaning of a stem in the Hebrew language:


Google AI:
"in the breakdown of the Hebrew language, what does stem mean?"
Answer:
In the Hebrew language, a stem—called a binyan (בִּנְיָן, plural: binyanim)—refers to a specific verb pattern. It works like a "cookie cutter" or architectural frame. By inserting a core, three-letter root into different stems, you can change the verb's voice, intensity, or whether the action is active, passive, or reflexive. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Hebrew has seven main verb stems. To see how they work, take the root for "write" (כ.ת.ב - k.t.v): [1, 2]
  Pa'al (or Qal): The simple, active action. (Katav = "He wrote")
  Nif'al: The passive or reflexive of the simple action. (Nikhtav = "It was written")
  Pi'el: An intensive or intentional action.
  Pu'al: The passive counterpart to Pi'el.
  Hif'il: A causative action (making something happen). (Hikhtiv = "He dictated/caused to write")
  Huf'al: The passive counterpart to Hif'il.
  Hitpa'el: A reflexive action (doing it to oneself). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Understanding binyanim makes Hebrew grammar highly systematic, allowing you to easily identify the meaning and direction of a verb just by looking at its structure. To learn more about how root words fit into these exact patterns, you can check out the Hebrewversity Guide [https://www.hebrewversity.com/the-meaning-of-binyanim-in-hebrew-the-deeper-meaning-of-hebrew-verbs/] or the Pronuncia Outline [https://pronuncia.io/learn/he/hebrew-verb-binyanim-structures].

-- Google AI


Does God want to reason with us? If so, why? By reasoning with us, what does God want to accomplish?


The answer comes from God Himself:


Isaiah 1:18-20 - AFV
18.   Come now, and let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool.
19.   If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;
20.   But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword;" for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

Outline - The Book of Isaiah.

- God desires to reason with Israel so they might be saved and not destroyed.

If you...

Your sins before:

Your sins after:

The end result:

DO reason with God...

- As scarlet [still applied].

- Will be white as snow [removed].

- Eat the good of the land.

DO reason with God...

- Red like crimson [still applied].

- Like wool (i.e., white) [removed].

- Eat the good of the land.

DO NOT reason with God, refuse, and rebel...

- Sins applied to you.

- Sins still applied [not forgiven].

- Be devoured with the sword.


These verses (Isa 1:18-20) are one example of the summation of God’s message in the Bible to all men and women. Here, God is offering a choice as He does in Deuteronomy 30:15-20. Although in Deuteronomy God’s message was to Israel and concerned physical blessings, that message applies spiritually to the new covenant in Christ Jesus. Either we choose God’s salvation (through Jesus Christ) and live eternally, or we reject it and die eternally.


Deuteronomy 30:15-20 - AFV
15.   Behold, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil,
16.   In that I command you this day to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments so that you may live and multiply. And the LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it.
17.   But if your heart turn away so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
18.   I denounce to you this day that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days on the land where you pass over Jordan to go to possess it.
19.   I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore, choose life, so that both you and your seed may live,
20.   That you may love the LORD your God, and may obey His voice, and may cleave to Him; for He is your life and the length of your days, so that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers—to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob—to give it to them."

This choice is ever before us when God calls us to salvation in Christ Jesus. As per Isaiah 1:19-20:


The choice:

The message (on the surface, physical blessings):

Under the new covenant, the spiritual application:

Choice #1: life

19.   If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;

- Culminates in the 1st resurrection and enjoying the Kingdom of God on earth with Jesus Christ and the saints.

Choice #2: death

20.   But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword;" for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

- Results in the lake of fire and the 2nd death (eternal death) if you choose not to repent (Rev 2:16 [message to Pergamos]).


God wants to reason with us (individually) to see if we will choose life or death. This is the reasoning God does once He calls you (Joh 6:44). If He does not call you now, your calling will be in the second resurrection (understood from the Holy Day known as the eighth day (The Last Great Day)) (Lev 23:36a, 39b; Rev 20:11-13).


ChatGTP:
"What would you say you need in order to reason with someone?"
Answer:
To reason with someone effectively, a few things usually need to exist on both sides:
1. Shared definitions
People need at least some agreement on what words mean. If two people use the same word differently — "truth," "evidence," "fair," "freedom," "proof" — reasoning breaks down quickly.
2. Common ground
There has to be some starting point both accept:
  - observable facts
  - agreed rules of logic
  - shared goals
  - or mutually trusted sources
Without any overlap, discussion becomes two monologues.
3. Logical consistency
Reasoning depends on applying standards evenly. If evidence only counts when convenient, or conclusions are chosen first and defended afterward, persuasion becomes difficult.
4. Willingness to update
Real reasoning requires the possibility of changing one’s mind. If either side is completely closed to revision, the conversation becomes rhetorical rather than rational.
5. Good-faith listening
This means trying to understand the other person’s actual argument rather than the weakest version of it. Misrepresenting motives or constantly interrupting understanding prevents progress.
6. Emotional stability sufficient for reflection
Humans are not purely logical. Strong fear, anger, humiliation, pride, or tribal loyalty can overpower reasoning. Emotions themselves are not the problem — but when identity feels threatened, logic often stops being the governing process.
7. Time and patience
Deep disagreements rarely resolve instantly. People often need time to process contradictions or unfamiliar ideas internally before they can genuinely engage with them.
8. A truth-oriented goal
The biggest difference is whether the conversation is aimed at:
  - discovering what is true,
  - or winning.
Those are very different activities.

-- ChatGTP

1. Shared Definitions

ChatGTP:
To reason with someone effectively, a few things usually need to exist on both sides:

1. Shared definitions
People need at least some agreement on what words mean. If two people use the same word differently — "truth," "evidence," "fair," "freedom," "proof" — reasoning breaks down quickly.

-- ibid


Reasoning between parties cannot begin if there is no agreement on the definition of terms.


Agreement must include:
- Scriptures authorized by God to be used:
  - Canonical books vs the apocrypha books.
- Scripture Translation(s) used:
  - formal equivalence (word-for-word).
  - dynamic equivalence (thought-for-thought).
- Definition of terms:
  - e.g., "salvation"
  - e.g., "justification"
  - e.g., "life"
  - e.g., "death"
  - e.g., "born again"
  - e.g., "Moses’ seat"
  - e.g., "Day of the Lord"
  - e.g., "Sabbath"
  - e.g., "sin"
  - etc.
- Definitions resulting from:
  - line upon line (Isa 28:9-10) studies.
  - precept upon precept (Isa 28:9-10) studies.
  - scripture agreeing with scripture (2Ti 3:16-17) studies.
- How God defines terms.

The Word of God’s salvation must settle into the hearts of those who need to hear it, especially when God is calling individuals unto the first resurrection.


Romans 10:13-17 - AFV
13.   For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14.   How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of Whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without preaching?
15.   And how shall they preach, unless they be sent? Accordingly, it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who announce the gospel of peace, and those who announce the good news of good things!"
16.    But all have not obeyed the gospel because as Isaiah said, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
17.   So then, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the Word of God.

A mutual understanding of definitions is critical when sharing the Gospel that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (Joh 14:6). If the definitions communicated are not on common ground, confusion or error will result.


An individual hearing the Word, but not on the same definitional grounds, could result in:

- no change in belief because of a lack of understanding.
- rejecting the word of God because of disbelief or disagreement.
- accepting the word of God but misapplying/misunderstanding it (believing it to say something it does not).

Jesus spoke in parables so that the Word of God would be for those who are called (Mat 13:10-17). Even so, there were times when the apostles (and others) did not understand what was taught because of how terms were used and defined..


Here are just a few examples:


The topic:

Scripture:

What was thought:

What was meant:

- What defiles a person

- to eat with unwashed hands

- that which proceeds out of the heart (evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witnessing and blasphemies)

- Who are the blind

- physically blind teachers leading physically blind people

- spiritually blind teachers leading spiritually blind people

- The definition of leaven

- about bread

- the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees

- The temple

- the Temple of God

- Jesus’ body

- To be born again

- to be reborn physically from one’s mother’s womb

- to be born with a spiritual body, as a spirit being

- water

- regular water that had miraculous properties

- the Holy Spirit

- Meat (food)

- solid food to eat

- doing the will of Him [the Father] Who sent Me [Jesus Christ], and to finish His [the Father] work

- Bondage, who is your father, and Abraham’s seed

1) to be in physical bondage to another nation.
2) our father is God.
3) Abraham’s children (offspring) physically.

1) to be in bondage to sin.
2) your real father is the devil (because of their unbelief and sin).
3) Abraham’s children (through faith) spiritually. (Gal 3:26-29)

- What is common or unclean

- eating the clean/unclean animals presented

- do not call any man (regardless of race) common or unclean


God’s Application to Us:

Starting with basic words and understanding, God reasons with us so that we may see His Truth and His Salvation. We must comprehend what God is saying to us when He uses His terminology rather than our own. If we misunderstand the meaning of words used in the Bible, we will most certainly miss the mark if we are not prudent to correct ourselves. Make sure you know the proper biblical understanding of at least the following (though more items can be added to this list):


- baptism (to be baptized)

- human nature (carnality)

- repentance

- belief & faith

- Jesus’ sacrifice

- righteousness

- born again

- justification

- salvation

- condemnation

- law vs. the law

- sanctification

- eternal life vs. eternal death

- mercy

- sin

- forgiveness

- obedience/disobedience

 

- grace

- redeemed

 


(As with the list above, from the time one is called, a progressive learning curve is always applied (cp. ChatGPT answer #7 "Time and Patience"). Very rarely does anyone understand all things at once. Only through proper, diligent study will one come to understand the definitions of the Bible more thoroughly.)


If you do not agree, in a proper context, with what God says from the Bible, God cannot properly reason with you, for you are basically exerting your own understanding above God’s. As such, if you will not permit God to reason and correct you, God will not interact with you for the first resurrection.


Our Christian Application to Others:

When sharing the Gospel with others, whether as a friend to a friend or as a minister/teacher to a congregation, one needs to understand the audience one is addressing:

- what do they already know/do not know?
- what definitions do they currently understand and agree upon?
- how do they define specific terms not commonly used?
- what terms will need to be expounded upon or defined?

For God’s Word to be effective, we must reason properly on the agreed-upon ground of definitions and terms.

2. Common Ground

ChatGTP:
To reason with someone effectively, a few things usually need to exist on both sides:

2. Common ground
There has to be some starting point both accept:
  - observable facts
  - agreed rules of logic
  - shared goals
  - or mutually trusted sources
Without any overlap, discussion becomes two monologues.

-- ibid


God wants to reason with us on common ground. He is not the author of confusion.


1 Corinthians 14:33 - AFV
33.   For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

The One we know as Jesus Christ created all things, including mankind (John 1; Hebrews 1). Jesus is the Author of our salvation, and there is no other way to eternal life. Therefore, it is necessary and obligatory that we obey Him.


Acts 3:15 - AFV
15.   And you killed the Author of life Whom God has raised from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.

Hebrews 5:9 - AFV
9.   And having been perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him,

Acts 4:12 - AFV
12.   And there is no salvation in any other, for neither is there another name under heaven which has been given among men, by which we must be saved."

When reasoning with us, God wants us to be on common ground in understanding Who He is and what He is doing. His ways are perfect because He is perfect, and God desires us to be perfect in Him as well.


2 Samuel 22:31-33 - AFV
31.   As for God, His way is perfect. The word of the LORD is tried. He is a shield to all those who seek refuge in Him,
32.   For Who is God, except the LORD? And Who is a rock except our God?
33.   God is my strength and power, and He makes my way perfect.

1 Kings 8:57-61 - AFV
57.   May the LORD our God be with us as He was with our fathers. Let Him not leave us nor forsake us,
58.   To incline our hearts to Himself, to walk in all His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments which He commanded our fathers.
59.   And let these my words, with which I have made supplications before the LORD, be near the LORD our God day and night, so that He may maintain the cause of His servant and the cause of His people Israel at all times as the matter requires,
60.   That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no other.
61.   And let your heart be perfect with the LORD our God: to walk in His statutes and to keep His commandments, as at this day."

Psalms 18:30 - AFV
30.   As for God, His way is perfect; the Word of the LORD is tried. He is a shield to all those who take refuge in Him,

Some of the things that we must be on common ground with God (though more items can be added to this list):


- Faith and belief in the True God, our Creator.

Hebrews 11:6 - AFV
6.   Now without faith it is impossible to please God. For it is mandatory for the one who comes to God to believe that He exists, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

- All have sinned.

Romans 3:9 - AFV
9.   What then? Are we of ourselves better? Not at all! For we have already charged both Jews and Gentiles—ALL—with being under sin,
10.   Exactly as it is written: "For there is not a righteous one—not even one!

1 John 1:8 - AFV
8.   If we say that we do not have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

- Salvation in no other (Name).

Joel 2:32 - AFV
32.   And it shall be that whoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved; for salvation shall be in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, as the LORD has said, and among the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (Cp. Act 2:21, Rom 10:13)

Acts 4:12 - AFV
12.   And there is no salvation in any other, for neither is there another name under heaven which has been given among men, by which we must be saved."

- One MUST repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 - AFV
38.   Then Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized each one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you yourselves shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 1:9 - AFV
9.   If we confess our own sins, He is faithful and righteous, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

- The Sabbath is still binding.

Hebrews 4:9-13 - AFV
9.   There remains, therefore, Sabbathkeeping for the people of God.
10.   For the one who has entered into His rest, he also has ceased from his works, just as God did from His own works.
11.   We should be diligent therefore to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.
12.   For the Word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of both soul and spirit, and of both the joints and the marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13.   And there is not a created thing that is not manifest in His sight; but all things are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him to Whom we must give account.

- Faith must have works.

James 2:26 - AFV
26.   For as the body without the spirit is dead, in the same way also, faith without works is dead.

If there is NO AGREEMENT with God on…


- observable facts
- (God is our Creator, He is perfect, only He can save us.)
- (we are under sin.)
- agreed rules of logic
- (only God can save us (through His Son, Jesus Christ).)
- (God’s salvation is a process.)
- (we must repent, be baptized, have hands laid on us, receive the Holy Spirit, live according to God’s Way.)
- shared goals
- (come out of the world.)
- (repent daily.)
- (grow in grace and knowledge (in God).)
- or mutually trusted sources
- (believe and follow God’s Word (the accepted Scriptures).)

…then God cannot reason with you. Without that common ground, there is no starting point.


What is the solution? What can you do?


- come to understand God, Who He is.
- come to understand why He is calling you.
- come to understand why God wants to reason with you.
- come to understand what His goal for you is (why were you born?).

When you establish that common ground and let God reason with you, a whole world of understanding will begin to open up, if you will let God lead you.


Some examples of people who were not on common ground with God (though more items can be added to this list):


- Cain

Genesis 4:3-7 - AFV
3.   It came to pass that Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground.
4.   And Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat of it. And the LORD had regard unto Abel and his offering,
5.   But He did not have regard unto Cain and his offering. And Cain was extremely angry and his countenance fell.
6.   And the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you so angry? And why has your countenance fallen?
7.   If you do well, shall you not be accepted? But if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it!"

- Miriam & Aaron

Numbers 12:1-2, 6-10 - AFV
1.   And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had taken, for he had taken a Cushite woman.
2.   And they said, "Has the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? Has He not also spoken by us?" And the LORD heard it.
...
6.   And He said, "Hear now My words. If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD will make Myself known to him in a vision, and will speak to him in a dream.
7.   Not so with My servant Moses. He is faithful in all My house.
8.   I will speak with him mouth to mouth, even clearly, and not in dark speeches. And he shall behold the likeness of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses?"
9.   And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them, and He departed.
10.   And the cloud moved from the tabernacle. And behold, Miriam became leprous as snow. And Aaron looked on Miriam, and behold, she was leprous.

- The nation of Israel coming out of Egypt
(many examples can be listed)

Numbers 14:1-4, 11 - AFV
1.   And all the congregation lifted up their voice and cried. And the people wept that night.
2.   And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron. And the whole congregation said to them, "Oh that we had died in the land of Egypt! Or, Oh that we had died in the wilderness!
3.   And why has the LORD brought us into this land to fall by the sword so that our wives and our children should be a prey? Would it not be better for us to return to Egypt?"
4.   And they said to one another, "Let us make a leader, and let us return to Egypt."
...
11.   And the LORD said to Moses, "How long will this people provoke Me? And how long will it be before they believe Me, for all the signs which I have shown among them?

- Saul, the Benjamite

1 Samuel 15:1-3, 7-9, 13-15, 18-23 - AFV
1.   And Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you to be king over His people, over Israel. And now listen to the voice of the words of the LORD.
2.   Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for that which he did to Israel, how he set against him in the way when he came up from Egypt.
3.   Now go and strike Amalek, and completely destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "
...
7.   And Saul struck the Amalekites from Havilah, as you come to Shur, which is over across from Egypt.
8.   And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive. And he completely destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9.   But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep and of the oxen and of the fatlings and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not completely destroy them. But everything that was vile and feeble they completely destroyed.
...
13.   And Samuel came to Saul. And Saul said to him, "You are blessed of the LORD. I have performed the commandment of the LORD."
14.   And Samuel said, "What then is this bleating of the flock in my ears? And what is the sound of the herd which I hear?"
15.   And Saul said, "They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen to sacrifice to the LORD your God. And the rest we have completely destroyed."
...
18.   And the LORD sent you on the way and said, 'Go and completely destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until you destroy them.'
19.   Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Why did you fly upon the spoil and do evil in the sight of the LORD?"
20.   And Saul said to Samuel, "Yes, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have completely destroyed the Amalekites.
21.   But the people took from the spoil, of the flocks and herd, the best of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal."
22.   And Samuel said, "Does the LORD have as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice! To hearken is better than the fat of rams,
23.   For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king!"

- The nation of Israel in the promised land (before they had a king)
(Read all of the book of Judges.)
In summary…

Judges 21:25 - AFV
25.   In those days there was no king in Israel. Every man did what was right in his own eyes.

- The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and elders of the Jews
(many examples can be listed)

John 8:12-43 - AFV
12.   Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world; the one who follows Me shall never walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."
13.   Therefore, the Pharisees said to Him, "You are testifying about Yourself; Your testimony is not true."
14.   Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, because I know where I have come from and where I am going. But you do not know where I come from and where I go.
15.   You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
16.   Yet if I do judge, My judgment is true, for I am not alone; but I and the Father Who sent Me.
17.   And it is written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
18.   I am One Who bears witness of Myself, and the Father, Who sent Me bears witness of Me."
... (read the rest of the chapter)
43.   Why don't you understand My speech? Because you cannot bear to hear My words.

- Sadducees, some Corrinthians, on the resurrection

Matthew 22:23 - AFV
23.   On that same day, the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and questioned Him,

Mark 12:18 - AFV
18.   Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him, and they questioned Him, saying,

Luke 20:27 - AFV
27.   Then some of the Sadducees, who do not believe there is a resurrection, came and questioned Him,

Acts 23:6-8 - AFV
6.   Now when Paul learned that one part were Sadducees and the other part were Pharisees, he cried out in the Sanhedrin, "Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, and a son of a Pharisee: I am being called into question concerning the hope and the resurrection of the dead."
7.   And after he said this, there was dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the multitude was divided;
8.   For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor angel or other spirit; but the Pharisees confess both.

1 Corinthians 15:12 - AFV
12.   But if Christ is being preached, that He rose from the dead, how is it that some among you are saying that there is no resurrection of the dead?

- Certain men over the issue of physical circumcision

Act 15:1-2, 5-6 - AFV
1.   Now certain men who had come down from Judea were teaching the brethren, saying, "Unless you are circumcised after the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
2.   Therefore, after a great deal of strife and arguing with them by Paul and Barnabas, the brethren appointed Paul and Barnabas, and certain others from among them, to go up to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem about this question.
...
5.   But there stood up certain of those who believed, who were of the sect of the Pharisees, saying, "It is obligatory to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
5.   Then the apostles and the elders gathered together to see about this matter.

- Simon the Magician

Act 8:9-11, 13, 18-23 - AFV
9.   But there was a certain man named Simon, who had from earlier times been practicing sorcery in the city and astounding the nation of Samaria, proclaiming himself to be some great one.
10.   To him they had all given heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is the great power of God."
11.   Now they were giving heed to him because he had for a long time bewitched them with sorceries.
...
13.   Then Simon himself also believed; and after being baptized, he steadfastly continued with Philip; and as he beheld the signs and great works of power that were being done, he was amazed.
...
18.   Now when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given by the laying on of the hands of the apostles, he offered them money,
19.   Saying, "Give this authority to me also, so that on whomever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit."
20.   But Peter said to him, "May your money be destroyed with you because you thought that the gift of God might be purchased with money.
21.   You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.
22.   Repent, therefore, of this your wickedness, and beseech God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you;
23.   For I perceive that you are in the gall of bitterness and the bondage of unrighteousness."

- Some people in Ephesus

1 Timothy 1:3-7 - AFV
3.   When I was going to Macedonia, I exhorted you to remain in Ephesus, in order that you might solemnly charge some not to teach other doctrines;
4.   Nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which lead to empty speculations rather than to edification from God, which is in faith.
5.   Now the purpose of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, and a good conscience, and genuine faith;
6.   From which some, having missed the mark, have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7.   Desiring to be teachers of the law, neither understanding what they are saying, nor what they are strongly affirming.

- Hymeneus and Alexander

1 Timothy 1:19-20 - AFV
19.   Holding to the faith and a good conscience. For some, having cast aside a good conscience, have made shipwreck in regard to the faith;
20.   Of whom are Hymeneus and Alexander, whom I turned over to Satan in order that they may learn not to blaspheme.

- Diotrephes

3 John 1:5-12 - AFV
5.   Beloved, you are faithfully practicing whatever you have been doing for the brethren and for strangers,
6.   Who have testified of your love before the church. You will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God;
7.   Because for the sake of His name they went forth preaching, taking nothing from the Gentiles.
8.   For this cause, we are personally obligated to receive those who do such service, in order that we may be fellow workers in the truth.
9.   I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, the one who loves to be chief among them, does not accept us.
10.   Because of this very thing, if I come, I will call him to account for the actions that he is practicing with evil words— maliciously berating us; and he is not satisfied with these things, for he himself neither receives the brethren, nor does he permit those who wish to receive the brethren, but he forbids them and casts them out of the church.
11.   Beloved, do not imitate that which is evil; rather, imitate that which is good. The one who practices good is of God; but the one who practices evil has not seen God.
12.   We have received testimony from everyone on behalf of Demetrius, and from the truth itself; and we also bear witness, and you know that our witness is true.

God is True in all He speaks to us; He will not lie (Biblical Proofs I.ii). Therefore, what God is trying to reason with us is about the truth of our fallen condition and how we have no eternal life in ourselves, nor can we save ourselves from this condition. To heed God’s Word is the only way to eternal life.

3. Logical Consistency

ChatGTP:
To reason with someone effectively, a few things usually need to exist on both sides:

3. Logical consistency
Reasoning depends on applying standards evenly. If evidence only counts when convenient, or conclusions are chosen first and defended afterward, persuasion becomes difficult.

-- ibid


In what God says and does, He is logical, consistent, and does not change (Malachi 3:6). God, also, is not a respecter of persons.


Matthew 22:16 - AFV
16.   And they sent their disciples along with the Herodians to Him, saying, "Master, we know that You are true, and that You teach the way of God in truth, and that You are not concerned about pleasing anyone; for You do not respect the persons of men.

Act 10:34-35 - AFV
34.   Then Peter opened his mouth and said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is not a respecter of persons,
35.   But in every nation the one who fears Him and works righteousness is acceptable to Him.

1 Peter 1:17 - AFV
17.   And if you call upon the Father, Who judges according to each man's work without respect of persons, pass the time of your life's journey in the fear of God;

Romans 2:7-11 - AFV
7.   On the one hand, to those who with patient endurance in good works are seeking glory and honor and immortality— eternal life;
8.   On the other hand, to those who are contentious and who disobey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
9.   Tribulation and anguish—upon every soul of man who works out evil, both of the Jew first, and of the Greek;
10.   But glory and honor and peace to everyone who works good, both to the Jew first, and to the Greek,
11.   Because there is no respect of persons with God.

Galatians 2:6 - AFV
6.   But the gospel that I preach did not come from those reputed to be something. (Whatever they were does not make any difference to me; God does not accept the person of a man.) For those who are of repute conferred nothing upon me.

Ephesians 6:8-9 - AFV
8.   Knowing that whatever good each one has done, this shall he receive from the Lord, whether bond or free.
9.   And masters, do the same things toward them, forbearing threatening; knowing also that your own Master is in heaven, and there is no respect of persons with Him.

Colossians 3:23-25 - AFV
23.   And whatever you do, do heartily, as to the Lord and not to men;
24.   Knowing that you shall receive from the Lord the recompense of the inheritance, for you are serving Christ the Lord.
25.   But the one who does wrong shall receive for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.

God does not have one method of salvation for people in the Old Testament and another for people under the new covenant. John 3:16 should make that plain and clear.


God is consistent in what He requires of us for salvation to be given (though more items can be added to this list):


- Faith in God
(many examples can be listed)

Habakkuk 2:4 - AFV
4.   Behold, his soul is puffed up, and is not upright; but the just shall live by his faith.

Matthew 21:21 - AFV
21.   Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only shall you do the miracle of the fig tree, but even if you shall say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it shall come to pass.

Mark 4:40 - AFV
40.   And He said to them, "Why are you so fearful? Why do you not have faith?"

Mark 11:22 - AFV
22.   And Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith from God.

Acts 3:16 - AFV
16.   And through faith in His name, this man whom you see and know was made strong in His name; and the faith that is through Him gave this complete soundness to him in the presence of you all.

Acts 6:5-8 - AFV
5.   And this declaration was pleasing to all the multitude; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit; and Philip; and Prochorus; and Nicanor; and Timon; and Parmenas; and Nicolas, who was a proselyte of Antioch.
6.   And they set them before the apostles; and after praying, they laid their hands on them.
7.   And the Word of God spread, and the number of the disciples in Jerusalem was multiplied exceedingly, and a great multitude of the priests were obedient to the faith.
8.   And Stephen, full of faith and power, worked wonders and great signs among the people.

Acts 20:21 - AFV
21.   Earnestly testifying, both to the Jews and the Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:17 - AFV
17.   For therein the righteousness of God is revealed from faith unto faith, according as it is written: "The just shall live by faith."

- Fear the Lord God and His Name

- Circumcise your heart

Deuteronomy 10:16 - AFV
16.   Therefore, circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stiff-necked,

Deuteronomy 30:6 - AFV
6.   And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.

Jeremiah 4:4 - AFV
4.   Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, men of Judah and people of Jerusalem; lest My fury come forth like fire, and burn so that none can put it out; because of the evil of your doings."

Colossians 2:10-11 - AFV
10.   And you are complete in Him, Who is the Head of all principality and power
11.   In Whom you have also been circumcised with the circumcision not made by hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

- Keep God’s Sabbath day

Isaiah 56:1-8 - AFV
1.   Thus says the LORD, "Keep justice and do righteousness; for My salvation is near to come, and My righteousness to be revealed.
2.   Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it; and keeps his hand from doing any evil."
3.   And do not let the son of the stranger, who has joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, "The LORD has utterly separated me from His people." And do not let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree."
4.   For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose things that please Me, and take hold of My covenant;
5.   Even to them will I give within My house and within My walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.
6.   Also the sons of the stranger, who join themselves to the LORD to serve Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants, everyone who keeps from profaning the Sabbath, and takes hold of My covenant;
7.   Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all people,"
8.   The Lord GOD Who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, "Yet I will gather still others of him beside those who are gathered unto him."

Hebrews 4:9 - AFV
9.   There remains, therefore, Sabbathkeeping for the people of God.

- Repent and obey God

1 Samuel 15:22 - AFV
22.   And Samuel said, "Does the LORD have as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice! To hearken is better than the fat of rams,

Matthew 4:17 - AFV
17.   From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Mark 6:12) - AFV
12.   And they went out and proclaimed that all should repent.

Luke 13:1-5 - AFV
1.   Now at the same time, there were present some who were telling Him about the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2.   And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were sinners above all Galileans, because they suffered such things?
3.   No, I tell you; but if you do not repent, you shall all likewise perish.
4.   Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, do you suppose that these were debtors above all men who dwelt in Jerusalem?
5.   No, I tell you; but if you do not repent, you shall all likewise perish."

Acts 2:38 - AFV
38.   Then Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized each one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you yourselves shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:19 - AFV
19.   herefore, repent and be converted in order that your sins may be blotted out, so that the times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 17:30 - AFV
30.   For although God has indeed overlooked the times of this ignorance, He now commands all men everywhere to repent,

Acts 26:20 - AFV
20.   For I preached to those in Damascus first, and then to Jerusalem, and to all the region of Judea, and to the Gentiles, declaring that they should repent and turn to God, doing works worthy of repentance.

1 Peter 1:2, 22 - AFV
2.   Who have been chosen according to the predetermined knowledge of God the Father, by sanctification through the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied to you.
...
22.   Having purified your lives by obedience to the Truth unto unfeigned brotherly love through the Spirit, love one another fervently with a pure heart.

Romans 1:5 - AFV
5.   Through Whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all the nations, in behalf of His name;

Romans 6:16 - AFV
16.   Don't you realize that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, you are servants of the one you obey, whether it is of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2 Corrinthians 10:4-6 - AFV
4.   For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the overthrowing of strongholds,
5.   Casting down vain imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought into the obedience of Christ;
6.   And having a readiness to avenge all disobedience, whenever your obedience has been fulfilled.

Hebrews 5:8 - AFV
8.   Although He was a Son, yet He learned obedience from the things that He suffered;

Revelation 2:5 - AFV
5.   Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works; for if you do not, I will come to you quickly; and I will remove your lampstand out of its place unless you repent.

Some examples of people who did not perform logical consistency with God or men of God (though more items can be added to this list):


Saul, the Benjamite
[after striking Amalek by God’s orders, but sparing the best of the livestock and keeping Agag, the king, alive.]

1 Samuel 15:13-14, 19-23 - AFV
13.   And Samuel came to Saul. And Saul said to him, "You are blessed of the LORD. I have performed the commandment of the LORD."
14.   And Samuel said, "What then is this bleating of the flock in my ears? And what is the sound of the herd which I hear?"
...
19.   Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Why did you fly upon the spoil and do evil in the sight of the LORD?"
20.   And Saul said to Samuel, "Yes, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have completely destroyed the Amalekites.
21.   But the people took from the spoil, of the flocks and herd, the best of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal."
22.   And Samuel said, "Does the LORD have as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice! To hearken is better than the fat of rams,
23.   For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king!"

About John the baptist and Jesus, the Christ

Matthew 11:12-19 - AFV
12.   For from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven is taken with a great struggle, and the zealous ones lay hold on it.
13.   For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14.   And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come.
15.   The one who has ears to hear, let him hear.
16.   But to what shall I compare this generation? It is exactly like little children sitting in the markets and calling to their companions,
17.   And saying, 'We have piped to you, and you did not dance; we have mourned to you, and you did not wail.'
18.   For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.'
19.   The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a man who is a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is justified by her children."

Luke 11:14-17 - AFV
14.   Now He was casting out a demon, and it was dumb; but it came to pass that when the demon had gone out, the one who had been dumb spoke. And the multitudes were amazed.
15.   But some of them said, "He is casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub, prince of the demons."
16.   And others, tempting Him, were seeking a sign from heaven.
17.   But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falls.

John 7:19-20 - AFV
19.   Did not Moses give you the law, and not one of you is practicing the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?"
20.   The people answered and said, "You have a demon. Who is seeking to kill You?"

John 8:47-52 - AFV
47.   The one who is of God hears the words of God. For this reason you do not hear, because you are not of God."
48.   Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Are we not right in saying that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"
49.   Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon. But I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50.   Yet I do not seek My own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges.
51.   Truly, truly I say to you, if anyone keeps My words, he shall not see death forever."
52.   Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham and the prophets died; yet You say, 'If anyone keeps My words, he shall not taste of death forever.'

John 10:19-21 - AFV
19.   Therefore, there was a division again among the Jews because of these words.
20.   And many of them said, "He has a demon and is crazy. Why do you listen to Him?"
21.   Others said, "These sayings are not those of one who is possessed by a demon. Does a demon have the power to open the eyes of the blind?"

The Samaritan village

Luke 9:51-56 - AFV
51.   Now it came to pass, when the days were being fulfilled that He should be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem.
52.   And He sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they came to a village of Samaritans to prepare for Him;
53.   But they did not receive Him, because His face was as if He were going to Jerusalem.
54.   And seeing this, His disciples James and John said, "Lord, will You have us call fire to come down from heaven and consume them, as Elijah did?"
55.   But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not understand of what spirit you are.
56.   For the Son of man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." And they went to another village.

Peter and John before the council

Acts 4:1-2, 7, 13-18 - AFV
1.   Now as they were speaking to the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them,
2.   Being dismayed because they were teaching the people, and preaching through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
...
7.   And after placing them in the midst, they inquired, "By what power or in what name did you do this?"
...
13.   Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlettered and uninstructed men, they were amazed; and they took note of them, that they had been with Jesus.
14.   Yet seeing the man who had been healed standing with them, they said nothing to oppose them.
15.   But after commanding them to go outside the Sanhedrin, they conferred with one another,
16.   Saying, "What shall we do to these men? For a remarkable miracle has indeed come to pass through them and is manifest to all those living in Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it.
17.   But that it may spread no further among the people, let us warn them with a severe threat not to speak any more to anyone in this name."
18.   And after summoning them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.

The Jerusalem council and circumcision

Act 15:1-6, 10-11 - AFV
1.   Now certain men who had come down from Judea were teaching the brethren, saying, "Unless you are circumcised after the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
2.   Therefore, after a great deal of strife and arguing with them by Paul and Barnabas, the brethren appointed Paul and Barnabas, and certain others from among them, to go up to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem about this question.
3.   So then, after being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, where they reported the conversion of the Gentiles. And they caused great joy to all the brethren.
4.   And when they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all the things that God had done with them.
5.   But there stood up certain of those who believed, who were of the sect of the Pharisees, saying, "It is obligatory to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
6.   Then the apostles and the elders gathered together to see about this matter.
...
10.   Now therefore, why do you tempt God by putting a yoke upon the necks of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11.   But by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we believe we shall be saved in the same manner as they also."

Paul visits James

Act 21:17-22 - AFV
17.   Now when we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren gladly received us.
18.   And on the following day, Paul went with us to see James; and all the elders were assembled.
19.   And after greeting them, he reported one by one the things that God had worked among the Gentiles through his ministry.
20.   And when they heard this, they glorified the Lord. Then they said to him, "Brother, you see how many thousands of Jews there are who believe, and they are all zealous of the law of rituals.
21.   But they have been informed that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to apostatize from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children, nor to walk in the customs.
22.   What then is going to happen? A multitude is going to assemble, for they will hear that you have come.

Paul confronts Peter

Galatians 2:11-21 - AFV
11.   But when Peter came to Antioch, I withstood him to his face because he was to be condemned;
12.   For before certain ones came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles. However, when they came, he drew back and separated himself from the Gentiles, being afraid of those of the circumcision party.
13.   And the rest of the Jews joined him in this hypocritical act, insomuch that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14.   But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in the presence of them all, "If you, being a Jew, are living like the Gentiles, and not according to Judaism, why do you compel the Gentiles to judaize?
15.   We who are Jews by nature—and not sinners of the Gentiles—
16.   Knowing that a man is not justified by works of law , but through the faith of Jesus Christ, we also have believed in Christ Jesus in order that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law; because by works of law shall no flesh be justified.
17.   Now then, if we are seeking to be justified in Christ, and we ourselves are found to be sinners, is Christ then the minister of sin? MAY IT NEVER BE!
18.   For if I build again those things that I destroyed, I am making myself a transgressor.
19.   For I through law died to works of law, in order that I may live to God.
20.   I have been crucified with Christ, yet I live. Indeed, it is no longer I; but Christ lives in me. For the life that I am now living in the flesh, I live by faith—that very faith of the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21.   I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through works of law , then Christ died in vain."

God always applies standards evenly to all individuals He is reasoning with, though it may be difficult to recognize this when in distress. Men often slip on this standard when communicating with God or others, but, as with all sin, it must be recognized and overcome. If anyone chooses to rebuke God in such a manner and not adhere to His wisdom, reasoning unto salvation will be in great jeopardy.